Talk: Dissidia 012 Final Fantasy/Archive 4

Time to welcome Yuna for good?

http://thesilentchief.com/2010/12/21/ffxs-yuna-to-appear-in-dissidia-duodecim-012/

It was probably to all of us inevitable. perhaps with this course it's time to confirm it ourselves? Yalls call however. Razordash 02:13, December 23, 2010 (UTC)

I don't trust that website much. I'm waiting for it to show up on andriasang or some other place like that. I just need to see these things with my own eyes, and so far that hasn't happened yet.*(Impatient) >:| Koharu Nami 02:18, December 23, 2010 (UTC)

That's a good point. Razordash 02:20, December 23, 2010 (UTC)

I'm sure many people are hoping this is true.Dakk Tribal 02:43, December 23, 2010 (UTC)

Guys? I snooped around that article, and the site credited a site called the Magic Box: International with that information. http://www.the-magicbox.com/gaming.htm That has the same information as Andriasang, along with mentioning Yuna being seen as a new character. Just an FYI, I don't believe it, but I just wanted to point your attention to it and ask if that's a credible site or not. Given I don't lurk these kinds of places, I don't know what's trustworthy or not, so I brought it to your attention. Signed, Rhapsody Goodhue.

That's something different - under "Gaming News" not far down the page, they mention the Famitsu confirmation. DoreikuKuroofangu - Visit the Soul Shrine! 08:32, December 24, 2010 (UTC)

This news has been floating around, but with no leaked media, it's still only speculation. It probably is just a matter of time though... Then again, I'm going to laugh if it was just Cosmos' feet.97.124.137.191 05:21, December 23, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah93 linked two articles that state that Famitsu confirmed it. However, both articles are in Spanish, and, upon further inspection, I could only find other Spanish articles, as well as no mention of it on Famitsu's website. But, I don't speak or read Japaneese, so I wouldn't know anyways. Yuna is most likely confirmed, but, until the supposed confirmation is translated by a relieable website, I don't think it should be added. A.J. two ^{(Smashboards)} 15:27, December 23, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah. You all want to do a subpage on Yuna's Dissidia appearance when she hasn't even been oficially announced by SE yet? That's a paradigm of stupidity. I'll keep shunning anyone who makes subpages out of scans, specially because for the original 22 characters we only did sections on the main pages until the game was released.

That's why we're not covering anything about Dissidia Yuna yet. We don't have information. - Henryacores^ 18:37, December 23, 2010 (UTC)

Jump Festa trailer is out on the official website. It appears clear as day that is Yuna's feet. lol. that IS confirmation enough. --Spira 10:56, December 24, 2010 (UTC)

Took a look at the trailer and confirms that it is Yuna's feet with the same skirt patterns as her FFX outfit. --BlazeStrife 11:51, December 24, 2010 (UTC)

Please be an epic fake out, and let it be Gilgamesh wearing Yuna's skirt...--Gibbeynator 12:34, December 24, 2010 (UTC)

You can also see her earlier in the trailer here: http://i692.photobucket.com/albums/vv286/Junpeiiscoolerthanyou/0123.jpg Kappa the Imp 12:26, December 24, 2010 (UTC)

I think that's Jecht in the picture.--Sora1915 12:43, December 24, 2010 (UTC)

With the picture you just provided alone, I'd highly doubt it, because frankly, the feet are way too unclear to be seen exactly and be identified as Yuna's. But when you look here in the trailer at around 4.38, it is most definitely Yuna, so... I think we can see her as confirmed.
Another thing though that caught my eye during the trailer is at 3.49: That's Brynhildr as a summon, aye? My eyes do not deceive me, do they? MirrorshardSceada 12:59, December 24, 2010 (UTC)

Oh crap! It IS Yuna... I really would have liked Auron... or Riku but I guess Yuna is the most story-relevant character in FFX ... actually more than Tidus when I think about it. I wonder how her attacks will be... would be cool if her HP-Attacks would involve her FFX-Aeons, but I guess this will lead to conflicts with the Dissidia's Summon-System. I also thought about stuff like different attack-types, like Cecil with Paladin/Dark Knight. And now Lightning with her Paradigm-Shifts. Maybe Yuna will have an air typ where she sits on Valefore all the time and a Ground type with Ifrit and basically you only control the Aeon. (Like Pokemon-Trainer in Super Smash Bros. Brawl ;) And another thought of mine would be... something like Firion/Bartz/Vaan where she shifts through her FFX-2 jobs/costumes and uses different attacks from her arsenal. But I guess that would be too far. Oh, and yes this really looks like Brynhildr! --Haitani 13:19, December 24, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, that's Yuna. That was her Summoner skirt, no doubt.

Let's not jump to conclusions quite yet about how she'll function, though. Remember the X-2 opening. Anything is possible at this point. Bluestarultor ^BSA

13:28, December 24, 2010 (UTC)

lol! this really would make my day! If the Yuna in this trailer is actually LeBlanc! Her battle-theme "I'll give you something hot" would be awesome in Dissidia! --Haitani 13:42, December 24, 2010 (UTC)

http://www.andriasang.com/e/blog/2010/12/24/dissidia_jump_trailer/ hey guys, its really yuna's feet... 112.205.66.6 16:21, December 24, 2010 (UTC)

Well, remember how Garland worked. All of his HP attacks were just representative of his minions. Yuna could easily use Impulse, Sonic Wave, etc. and work just fine as a "summoner." I'm certain there'll be X-2 representation as well through a move or two, since Kain, Cecil, Sephiroth, Golbez, and Cloud all have moves/costumes from both the original and sequel, though. Dazuro 22:34, December 24, 2010 (UTC)

I am really happy about this! Though personally, Lulu would've been awesome in my opinion, (yes yes, I know Lulu isn't that important to the storyline) I'm really glad Yuna is in. How she will attack? My guess is, she'll be using a mix of black magic, white magic, and some of X-2's moves. Plus, her staff will be a nice change of pace for a weapon rather than the usual sword. --Goldenshane 03:01, December 25, 2010 (UTC)

Hey, has anyone else noticed that the parseon standing on the right of Lightning (obscured in the light) seems to be wearing Noctis' outfit?

I can see a few small differences, but, from what I can see, it looks very similar to his outfit. Can anyone tell whether this is another character, or if Noctis truely is in the game? A.J. two ^{(Smashboards)} 14:58, December 25, 2010 (UTC)

I'd say it's Laguna --84.250.61.217 20:51, December 25, 2010 (UTC)

Well, let's not forget the time we were positive we found Terra by comparing a silhouette's sash and belt, then realized it was Bartz later on. Dazuro 20:58, December 25, 2010 (UTC)

i think they need to add freya in to this fray just to spice it up for good measurer

i've been itching to edit Dissidia 012 page to remove Yuna from the character list and add a sentence under the Character section saying something like 'although no confirmation has been released yet, it was hinted that Yuna will appear in the game, as suggested in the trailer recently shown at the Jump Festa 2011 presentation.' The only reason why I did not do it because I feel that the statement is a form of speculation. We can all agree that the scene clearly suggests Yuna (or at least 90%; I'm still humorously thinking that it is another character only dressed like Yuna) but I still find it incomplete to be considered as hard proof. Can someone suggest a better way of doing this? Or should I just leave it as it is? Rivan Pneuma 17:29, December 28, 2010 (UTC)

I agree, it has to be either Yuna, or it might just be them trolling and its actualy cloud dressed up like a girl again... or it could really be anyone dressed like Yuna *remembers the main quote from the Gilgamesh page) but, i saw it too, i compaired to the Yuna page, and as far as i know its DEFINITELY... Yuna's dress. But it could realy be ANYONE with that skintone. (the possibilities!)--Sinez 16:33, January 1, 2011 (UTC)

Gr... I don't like Yuna :(

New Arena

In the jump fest trailer, one scene shows Onion Knight talking to Vaan, in a train carrage that looks like the one where you fight the Fake President and Gerogero or one of the train carrages where you enter 'dreamworld', or whatever it was called (haven't played 8 in ages), and play as Laguna. FF9

Just saying because people keep putting down phantom train and yuna as appearing in Dissidia 012, and have these two been comfirmed?. FF9

It looks nothing like the train from FF8. Kappa the Imp 17:15, December 24, 2010 (UTC)

It's the Phantom Train most likely, as rumors have said. DoreikuKuroofangu - Visit the Soul Shrine! 17:30, December 24, 2010 (UTC)

Also, does anyone know what the other new stage shown is, where Laguna is shown talking to Squall and fighting Ultimecia? It's most likely from FF8, but I can't place it. At 1:37 and 2:06? - +DeadlySlashSword+ 17:33, December 24, 2010 (UTC)

Crystal Tower. DoreikuKuroofangu - Visit the Soul Shrine! 17:34, December 24, 2010 (UTC)

Huh. Odd. - +DeadlySlashSword+ 17:57, December 24, 2010 (UTC)

As i said haven't played 8 in ages. Plus I've never played 6 so i wouldn't know what was in the game. FF9 20:22, December 24, 2010 (UTC)

The 3 new arenas we see in the Jump Festa trailer are most likely..

-Crystal Tower (FF3): Not the most obvious, but the greenery surrounded by walls and a tower in the center gives it away.. kinda..

-Phantom Train (FF6): its not the Galbadia presidential car because the seats are upholstered in beige instead of blue there.

-Empyreal Paradox (FF11): The crystal area seen at 2:40. Most evident by the blue circular rim of the floor, the spacey background with a floating crystal, and the floating bits that swirl.

--Spira 21:15, December 24, 2010 (UTC)

Crystal Tower was already confirmed a while ago, alongside Onion Knight, CoD, Squall, and Ultimecia's new costumes. Teamrocketspy621 21:26, December 24, 2010 (UTC)

File:Dissidia012PhantomTrain.PNG

Image. DoreikuKuroofangu - Visit the Soul Shrine! 01:56, December 25, 2010 (UTC)

About this new arena, Square probably created some areas that is cutscene only, for variety. How can you fight in a narrow train? SquallRocks 20:29, December 27, 2010 (UTC)

maybe in-and-out of the carriage? also, i was wondering, instead of putting the dissidia info in the main Phantom Train, why dont we put it in the Phantom Train (Final Fantasy VI) article? since its the FF6 version of the Phantom Train that we are getting. Ixbran 04:57, December 29, 2010 (UTC)

Well, that does sound like a good idea, after all, it does have the appearance of the FFVI version of the train. Werehog 9:04 PM 12/28/2010 (UTC)

Jecht

Jecht is officialy confirmed to be on the side of Cosmos as of the new trailer on the japanese website, but at the end of the game he ends up on Chaos's side. He and Tidus just have a rivalry in this game, but both are on cosmos's side. -Silver Praetor, I decided not to sign in

I don't know, I'm speculating Tidus is on Chaos' side this game. And before you ask why, here's my answer: Shuyin. Why else would they put Yuna in the game, and not Seymour?Lt.Haven 00:50, December 27, 2010 (UTC)

Why the (censored), would Tidus be on Chaos side? that is just ridiculous Judge Magister Pyarox 10:15, December 27, 2010 (UTC)

Indeed, maybe Shuyin would be, but Tidus wouldn't. @Lt. Haven: with that logic we could ask why did they put Laguna in there instead of Seifer, or Tifa instead of some VII sidekick villain. As Silver said it, they're probably 'jes rivals. Jecht is most likely ultimately defeated by the warriors of Chaos, taking him off this cycle of war. He'll most likely lose his memory and the Emperor manipulates him to the Chaos' side. For the other character seen in Duodecim but not in Dissidia, they'll be defeated like Jecht, but nothing is done, so they disappear, or die. Gabranth probably loses and Chaos demotes him the Watchdog of Hell. Well, too bad this info isn't worth writing to the article, but I sure hope it brings and end to your speculation, or takes it to the forums. ZaFlareStar 27.12.2010 13:51 GMT+2

Difference between Shuyin and Tidus, is that Shuyin is a no name compared to Tidus. Just because Jecht is now on cosmos side (for the time being), it doesn't mean we need a new villain for FFX. Yea the villains are in need a help big time, but how much difference is...what is it now, 18 members of Cosmos warriors Vs... somewhere around 9? I think the Cosmos warriors at this point now doubles Chaos if you believe in the re-alignment of Kuja. Anyhow, Tidus himself was never evil. But maybe he was a bit absent in this war, and something drug him in? I don't know... We're just gonna have to wait and see. But I can garrentee you Tidus will not be a villain. All "reasonable" people don't want that. Razordash 11:58, December 27, 2010 (UTC)

Well tidus and yuna were kind of in bad working for yu yevon and all. And i was kind of thinking that tidus was on chaos side y else would he and jecht collide in the movie. I dont know its kind of a long shot because tidus is too good of a good guy but how else would you explain it

OR it could be that Jecht and Tidus are on the same side and they have a form of rivalry that is so intense that they'd go at it despite being on the same side. "I live in fantasy because it welcomes me." 01:43, January 11, 2011 (UTC)

So there will be 3 ff10 cosmos worriors. Unless they add a new ff10 villain. --Franc 3 01:58, January 11, 2011 (UTC)

If they do, its gotta be Seymour "I live in fantasy because it welcomes me." 02:01, January 11, 2011 (UTC)

Well yea seymour was way more of a villain than jecht. You had to kill him FOUR times and he was a psycho destroyer like kefka except he had a "good reason" for doing it.--Franc 3 02:02, January 11, 2011 (UTC)

Wow I bet some people feel like jerks for thinking that tidus being in chaos was a stupid thought--Franc 3 23:01, January 20, 2011 (UTC)

Believe me, it is still stupid. yeah_93 01:00, January 21, 2011 (UTC)

Yea it I guess its dumb he would join chaos just to beat his dad but you can't just go and guarantee that some things cant happen in a video game. Square has just proven this fact.--Franc 3 23:49, January 21, 2011 (UTC)

What was the point of deleting the Yuna article?

It'll just pop up again in a day, she's all but confirmed now, it's probably best to leave it there just to stop what will turn into a Create>Delete>Create>Delete war.

Someone on the talk page suggested a banner for this type of thing, something along the lines of Lulu's "Let's not get too excited yet" or whatever it was, for pages that aren't officially confirmed, but (have enough evidence to) exist to limit system spam. RumDrools 12:07, December 26, 2010 (UTC)

"It'll just pop up again in a day" - no it won't, the page has been protected from being made again until there's actually enough information to warrant its existence. DoreikuKuroofangu - Visit the Soul Shrine! 12:08, December 26, 2010 (UTC)

There is no way it can't be Yuna, the Tifa article was created (and kept) with this much info.RumDrools 12:11, December 26, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, and that was a triumphantly stupid move on the part of the less-experienced users about here. We're not having a repeat of that. DoreikuKuroofangu - Visit the Soul Shrine! 12:15, December 26, 2010 (UTC)

Honestly, it'd just be a page about her feet. Not useful. SCM - Talk 12:21, December 26, 2010 (UTC)

As much as I hate to say this, the suits all gotta point. What do we know about Yuna in regards to 012? That she's more than likely appearing in the game, and her feet definitely are showing up in a High Quyality cutscene. What do we not know about her? Voice actor, fighting style, role in the story, EX Mode, EX burst, costumes, etc. Also, do any of you remember what the Tifa article was? An eyesore of magazine articles featuring her, with the only real information of her being her short chat with a momma's boy Sephiroth.Lt.Haven 19:14, December 26, 2010 (UTC)

I agree, until at least a picture of Yuna is released, the Yuna/Dissidia page should be left alone. "I live in fantasy because it welcomes me." 19:17, December 26, 2010 (UTC)

Also, do any of you remember what the Tifa article was? An eyesore of magazine articles featuring her, with the only real information of her being her short chat with a momma's boy Sephiroth.

Anyone who doesn't disaproove the creation of an article with this much info is a perfect idiot. - Henryacores^ 22:02, January 4, 2011 (UTC)

4th costume issues！

		L U N A R - Slash and move!! TALK - 14:57, December 27, 2010 (UTC)
		Cloud got the 4th costume from BBS, i got it. But Lightning (and Tifa) said got the 4th costume???then what are theirs 3rd costume???

We don't know yet. Teamrocketspy621 15:26, December 27, 2010 (UTC)

Cloud's third costume is based on his Amano artwork, Lightning's and Tifa's are currently unknown. Lightning's Aya costume comes from pre-ordering The Third Birthday. Tifa's fourth costume hasn't been announced, but it will apparently come from buying the Special Edition in Europe. RumDrools 09:03, December 28, 2010 (UTC)

		Pyarox - Let me add another scar to your face! TALK - 17:57, December 27, 2010 (UTC)
		Cloud's and Lightning's 4th costume are download code thingy's i believe every char will get 3 costumes with Cloud and Lightning being an exception with 4 costume

Tifa and Lightning's third costumes as with everyone else's have been described on their pages at least with just the in game head portrait as evidenceSandS Hero 19:33, January 19, 2011 (UTC)

Mysterious Character? (Now Forget it)

So I was watching the new Jump Festa trailer, and I noticed someone at 0:21, just when Lightning is watching the light on her hand. The character is behind Lighning, near Vaan. It shows light brown boots with a seemingly blue pants and s/he is using a staff (or a rod, I dunno). Who could that be? --yeah_93 04:09, December 29, 2010 (UTC)Yeah 93

That'd be Jecht. Dazuro 04:14, December 29, 2010 (UTC)

No pal. That ain't Jecht. See the vid and the moment and you'll see. Far too thin to be Jecht, and Jecht doesn't use a rod. I think it's a woman, but it's not Yuna.

It's Jecht. I saw it. I thought his sword was a rod. *sigh*

It's not a rod, it's got the weird anchor-like design on the bottom of his sword. And those are clearly Jecht's new outfit's pants, I'm pretty sure. Dazuro 04:25, December 29, 2010 (UTC)

My bad. Disregard what you might have read before. I completely was thinking of another screenshot (not reading the post all the way). *bops head* Anyhow, I'm pretty sure that the only people arriving behind Lightning are the other 4 new characters, you see both Kain and Tifa when she's arriving, and then Vaan when Cosmos' power is flaring. The guy just behind and to her left is Laguna. You can tell by the gloves. Those are the only ones I see. i don't know where you get a staff (or rod). Rhapsody 06:44, December 29, 2010 (UTC)

Look everyone, the thing is, that this is most likely the intro. Thinking straight, ALL the new characters will be the ones, who will be walking behind Lightning in it, and that will be at least seven characters. (Given, that there are seven arenas so far, and the number of new arenas=number of new characters) So, the trailer will show at least two more characters, including Yuna. SE didn't wanted to spill the info about them, before they get official, so the intro was cut, edited and shards were put into trailer. So no use for analizing and speculation about the trailer in search for news. SE guys are pretty careful not to accidentally spill any info in their trailers, which was seen in case of the first Dissidia. SquallisbetterthanCloud 02:09, December 30, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, let's not forget what they did with the first Dissidia trailers.

http://i52.tinypic.com/281bvk4.jpg

Cloud's sword was removed and Cecil was made really thin so people wouldn't know it was them. And then in one whole shot Cecil was removed. So unless they're making it obvious (with Yuna), a character will either be manipulated so you couldn't even tell who it is or completely removed for trailer purpose. Andres 02:42, December 30, 2010 (UTC)

By the way, did anyone notice Tidus wasn't in the group? It's speculation, so it's not something to take seriously, but I think he might be with the Warriors of Chaos. Werehog 9:58 PM 12/29/2010 (UTC)

Actually, most of the heroes are missing. I just noticed that today, however, it doesn't come as a big surprise since SE did something similar in the trailers for the first game. As to tidus being on Chaos' side, eh, I don't think so. Nice guess tho. "I live in fantasy because it welcomes me." 06:15, December 30, 2010 (UTC)

When I watched it again; at first I didn't know who the hell you mean because I only saw Vaan and Laguna, but then I recognized the third one in the background... and I DON'T think it's Jecht... 1st Jecht's Sword doesn't sparkle that much. 2nd He didn't have his weapon with him some seconds ago (you can see him shortly in the beginning) which brings me to 3rd His trousers are... kinda sparkling and more white-ish; what they aren't in our "mystery-shot". maybe it 'could' be him, but the sword (which he didn't had moments ago) really rubs me there; and the weird color change, I mean Jecht is tanned but not THAT tanned. Who else could it be?... the only one with blue trousers would be zidane, but he has this white highlight on his boots. --Haitani 11:08, December 30, 2010 (UTC)

i dont know what you guys are seeing but all i see behind Lightning is Vaan and Laguna Judge Magister Pyarox 13:49, December 30, 2010 (UTC)

It takes some closer looks, but on the left of lightning's head in the background is a pair of legs and some kind of... shiny weapon. I couldn't see it by myself in the beginning as well but there's a third person standing in the background. in the short scene where you can see lightning's head in close-up and her hand holding this light-thingy. on the far left is vaan's leg... and between his leg and lightning's head is the third one. uff .... --Haitani 15:19, December 30, 2010 (UTC)

On a final look, I decided to believe that the character is Jecht because of his brown feet and blue pant (Alternate costume) and the shiny weapon may be his sword, but with a different handle.--yeah_93 16:40, December 30, 2010 (UTC)

if it's your opinion, i'm cool with that, but you planted those worms ;) I really do not think they would use alternate costumes on CGI videos. Hmm thinking about it I think NO game EVER did that. And Jecht's sword was always very dark and dim, while this one is actually shiny. Well, but bottom line: there isn't a 100% prove for who it is, and I think it's also rather unusual to "introduce" a new character this way. maybe it IS Jecht. maybe it's not. ;) --Haitani 16:46, December 30, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, you are right, however, I am right in one thing: Jecht IS using his alternate costume. Watch the part where Lightning makes her entrance at like 0:03, and you'll see Jecht there with his blue pants (Alternate costume)

Oh you mean his new design with "alternate costume". Yeah, that's right, but his "new" pants are almost white (at least at 4:36). And I also thought about that shiny thing being Vaan's hand or something and when I now look at it again... it zarking IS! huh, why didn't I see this before? Maybe it's all about this weird lightning-circumstances... at 0:21 it's more dark-blue and his "legs" are tanned dark brown. and at 4:36 his trousers are almost white. hmm --Haitani 18:58, December 30, 2010 (UTC)

Hi everybody can i ask you something,i have seen the character that you are all talking about ,but this light-thingy i don't see it,its not perhaps vaan hand that appear during 0:21 that you are talking about right?

Cloud was also missing from the group.

Just a notice to @Haitani- This is the proof, that Jecht is the one standing behind Lightning. SquallisbetterthanCloud 19:37, December 30, 2010 (UTC)

@Haitani: "I really do not think they would use alternate costumes on CGI videos." I really hope you are kidding. Did you even watch the videos? Jecht, Tidus, and Terra all use their alternate costumes in the CGI videos. Infact, they use them in the in-game cutscenes as well. I agree that the use of the alternates in these cutscenes and videos greatly pisses me off, but its been done. Hopefully the in-game cutscenes will instead use whatever costume you currently have set to the character, and they just decided to use these ones in the trailers. Regardless, it seems the CGI videos use them, and THATS NO GOOD. Although one option could be that these are infact the new defaults, but that would be even worse. Mewizkuit 19:55, December 30, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, but there is no need for insulting each other. We've come to the conclusion that the character is, in fact,Jecht, as he is previously seen standing there. And, as Squallisbetterthancloud pinted, Square could modify the CG videos as they want, like in the first Dissidia. So I hope that's enough in this topic.--yeah_93 01:26, January 2, 2011 (UTC)

im sorry, i guess i just needed to get my anger about the characters alternate costumes being used in the CG off my chest. ill leave this issue alone now. Mewizkuit 20:34, December 30, 2010 (UTC)

Ha! no offense taken ;) And yeah, I also checked how the characters where wandering around in this scene like hamster to check-prove if it's REALLY Jecht or not. And well it seems so that it IS him, but I still can't get over this weird lightning conditions. Like I said "Jecht is tanned, but not dark-brown" lol. And I guess there was a missunderstanding with the terms "alternative costume" and "new design/new default". I'm going to assume that when they use this design in a CGI video, then it's the new default (which is really weird... is Tidus topless now? Oh, I hope he's now on Chaos' side for that fraud!). --Haitani 22:18, December 30, 2010 (UTC)

i think the "mystery character" is either Bartz or Kain, theyre both seen behind lightning Judge Magister Pyarox 00:03, December 31, 2010 (UTC)

No. We were talking about a character whose feet (Brown color with blue pants) were seen at 0:21. The character is Jecht, he was there at the second you pointed.--yeah_93 01:26, January 2, 2011 (UTC)

North America Release Date?

		Chocobo Rider - Onward to Gamestop! TALK - 01:01, December 31, 2010 (UTC)
		On Gamestop.com and Amazon.com they list Dissidia 012 coming out on March 31, 2011. I know that if they don't have a exact release they will list one as sort of a "the latest expected". Since we know that Europe gets the game in March and so does Japan should we change the Spring 2011 to March 2011?

It's really hard to beleive that the game could be completed that quickly, something sounds fishy about that date. Werehog 5:14 PM 12/30/2010 (UTC)

This date is known for a while, but the fact is, this is just a placeholder date, that signifies the end of fiscal year(or something). It's equivalent to "Q1" or "spring '11". We've already have this discussion here around november. SquallisbetterthanCloud 01:18, December 31, 2010 (UTC)

Ok. Chocobo Rider 01:26, December 31, 2010 (UTC)

Well, it's in Square's best interests to release it at almost the same time. Then again, I'd hate to be the game that's going up against the latest iterations of Pokemon.--Gibbeynator 02:08, December 31, 2010 (UTC)

I heard they're translating and dubbing it way faster (most likely they're already doing it) to make up for the slow outside of Japan release Dissidia had. ZaFlareStar 31.12.2010 10:10 GMT+2

they completed all of the dubbing before september of this year, actually

at least, according to various voice actors

i personally spoke to chris smith (voice of mateus) and he told me he had finished voice acting for the game before it was even announced to the public

he just called it "the second dissidia game" at that time, though Mewizkuit 20:31, December 31, 2010 (UTC)

Then again, when I began looking into Duodecim back in September I began looking around the Net to find info, and one of the things I noticed was in an interview with Famitsu (if i remember right), and somewhere in the interview Nomura noted that they had started working on Duodecim soon after the Universal Tuning version had been released. That would explain the quick inclusion of info on the game. With the English cast speculated to have been finished their lines in the early summer of 2010, that could explain how the game could be released so early as compared to the first game (where the US had to wait nine months for it, a painstaking wait I might add). Just a thought I wanted to share. "I live in fantasy because it welcomes me." 23:46, December 31, 2010 (UTC)

I'm also curious about the North American release date. Most games originating from Japan usually don't come to the outside world until several months later. If they already announced a European release date, is it a safe bet to think the NA release would be somewhere in between the Japanese and European counterparts? I really hope that the gaming industry gets smart about international releases. Why should one country get a several month in advance release and cause for major spoilers to be let loose on the rest of the world? It just bugs the crap out of me knowing people are enjoying a game that have waited for just as long. Kamikaze Pardee 06:17, January 3, 2011 (UTC)

I heard March 23rd somewhere, don't recall where though (and I've looked). DoreikuKuroofangu - Visit the Soul Shrine! 06:38, January 3, 2011 (UTC)

That would be a Wednesday. Games are usually released on Tuesdays.--Gibbeynator 12:22, January 3, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, Like the first Dissidia, which was released on Thursday... SquallisbetterthanCloud 12:52, January 3, 2011 (UTC)

Pretty sure August 25th, 2009 was a Tuesday.--Gibbeynator 13:32, January 3, 2011 (UTC)

It was, I remember getting the game on Tuesday and I got the game when it first came out. NeoZEROX 13:41, January 3, 2011 (UTC)

Square Enix has not said anything, so all we can do is speculate. However, it doesn't matter which day it comes out, no matter what, I'll buy it. yeah_93 13:59, January 3, 2011 (UTC)

Agreed but sooner the better. I'll be driving 1 hour in the cold and snow just to get it on release day. Looks like March is hopefully going to be another great month for video games. Kamikaze Pardee 23:17, January 3, 2011 (UTC)

Well, we have a rating for it, so that means a working, somewhat final build should exist in some form.--Gibbeynator 00:03, January 4, 2011 (UTC)

New Cover picture?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/64/Dissidia_Duodecim_012_Final_Fantasy.png Don't know if this is true, but it is an interesting thing, so i decided to share. "I live in fantasy because it welcomes me." 22:24, January 2, 2011 (UTC)

No. They can't have just those five on the cover. There are more being added. It's just a place holder. Koharu Nami 22:26, January 2, 2011 (UTC)

Agreed. I just wanted to point it out as interesting. I just wanted to point out the CG models of Vaan, Laguna, and Tifa. Never seen them before. "I live in fantasy because it welcomes me." 22:37, January 2, 2011 (UTC)

I think that'd be a terrible cover if it was true... But well, the original already had one of the worst covers in the series, so who knows. I doubt they'd have a cover before an official release date, though.Keltainentoukokuu 22:39, January 2, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, I noticed those CG renders. That's what impresses me about this cover. Koharu Nami 22:52, January 2, 2011 (UTC)

Not bad those renders. Where did you find the image? yeah_93 23:23, January 2, 2011 (UTC)

I found it on the Wikipedia article on Duodecim, then I saw it on the Duodecim Facebook page. I know that isn't concrete and more than likely dubious, but my reasons for sharing the picture was out of want to show others, just in case i get flamed for sharing. "I live in fantasy because it welcomes me." 23:28, January 2, 2011 (UTC)

Got the source. It's not fake, but it's just a placeholder. Remember there are more characters coming. It's not bad, but I just wish it had a better resolution so we can detail it. yeah_93 23:32, January 2, 2011 (UTC)

I'll be sure to let you all know if I find a bigger picture. Also, I think if they make the cover less bright than the first one, and like this, it'll overshadow the first game's cover (which I thought was rather dull). "I live in fantasy because it welcomes me." 23:36, January 2, 2011 (UTC)

High Res Version

full version of Temp Boxart

Enjoy!

Ixbran 11:36, January 11, 2011 (UTC)

So, level transfer and Amano Tifa in all regions confirmed?--204.225.7.17 13:17, January 11, 2011 (UTC)

I'm sure it's nothing but why are there missing warriors in the upper left part? It looks like the picture continues further to the left and probably has Cloud, Tidus, and Terra. I know this is just a temporary box art but you'd think they'd try and fill it out more. Kamikaze Pardee 14:02, January 11, 2011 (UTC)

Is that all the new characters then since they seem to be featured so prominently? Maybe Yuna's like a secret character...Keltainentoukokuu 17:33, January 11, 2011 (UTC)

It's an advertisement package, not the final package. It's why the cover has a date and pricing on it in huge letters. Andres 17:38, January 11, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah but it's advertising it mainly with the new cast that has been announced so far, making it look like as if that's it now...? Like now if they announce a new character their advertisement is "outdated" right away.Keltainentoukokuu 17:42, January 11, 2011 (UTC)

Should we add in the Frozen Lake from Pandemonium to the map list?

Sorry for the long headline, but i dont remember what it was named... anyway. The last boss area of ff2 seems to be showing up in 012, its seen in the trailer (i recognize it, i have a guide to ff2, thats an exact replica of what it looks like in ff2.) however, like the phantom train, so far its only been seen in a cut-sceen. Should we add it, as well as Phantom Train, to the list of maps that will be appearing?

Pandaemonium is already on tha list. There is still no name for the new stage, so it stays under Pandaemonium name. SquallisbetterthanCloud 13:39, January 4, 2011 (UTC)

That makes sense... well... I fell dumb now. I was thinking that there was some form of name for it. I hate to argue over something as trivial as a stage that has only even been seen in a cut-sceen, but should we call it something else? It's definitely different from the Pandaemonium found in Dissidia, just an idea, but should it have a placeholder name? Something like "Pandemonium Throne Room?" Just thought i should throw that out there... (i don't like arguments)--Sinez 14:41, January 4, 2011 (UTC)

No man, it's just that there is no confirmation for those stages from Square Enix, and until there is a confirmation, we should leave the page as it is. yeah_93 14:44, January 4, 2011 (UTC)

I understand, and i agree, i just wasn't sure about it. I personaly think that both maps might only be for cut-sceens, the train would be difficult to navigate, and the throne of pandemonium is difficult to seal off, i think there were crystals around the edges of the map in-game, but i never got there myself, so i realy dont know. Plus the effect of the crystals randomly placed around the map makes it a tad bland by this games standards (imo, it could be used, i just dont see how).

anyway, i guess we just wait until they either anounce its name or shoot it down then... --Sinez 18:58, January 4, 2011 (UTC)

It could be Arubboth, an area in the Soul of Rebirth after you defeat the main game. Just an idea. "I live in fantasy because it welcomes me." 15:24, January 5, 2011 (UTC)

No, Arubboth has lighter color. It's Pandaemonium- Throne Room/Top Floor/Whatever. SquallisbetterthanCloud 18:35, January 5, 2011 (UTC)

Actualy, when i looked through the new maps, the scene i saw is apparently claimed by "Empyrean Paradox" or something, but it looks a LOT like the last area of pandemonium if you ask me. (here is a link, in case you wanted to check it out: http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Empyreal_Paradox#Empyreal_Paradox)

No it doesn't. No crystalline floor whatsoever. Pandaemonium is never dominantly light-blue. That's obviously the Empyreal Paradox. - Henryacores^ 15:19, January 7, 2011 (UTC)

Well, i never played ff11, and i never got to the end of ff2, so i have to assume you know more about this than I do. (still, thoes floating crystals just look TOO simmilar to the elements from the throne room)

Only except, that in Empyreal Paradox there is ONE crystal floating, and in Pandaemonium, there is A LOT of crystals... SquallisbetterthanCloud 22:20, January 7, 2011 (UTC)

And searching this wiki for images would help you a lot and also show a minimal amount of interest by your part. - Henryacores^ 00:38, January 8, 2011 (UTC)

Sorceress Edea?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3VluaoZHgU

2:51 to 3:00

Looks like Laguna is fighting Sorceress Edea from Final Fantasy VIII. Unless it's one of Ultimecia's costumes, this would confirm Sorceress Edea as a character in Dissidia 012. Am I right? --MConor 17:53, January 9, 2011 (UTC)

For hundredth time- It's Ultimecia's costume. Check her page first, people... SquallisbetterthanCloud 18:00, January 9, 2011 (UTC)

How ironic, just earlier today I designed a prototype template for this exact situation. DoreikuKuroofangu - Visit the Soul Shrine! 18:11, January 9, 2011 (UTC)

A bit harsh. :P It's not like it's obviously Ulti's alt. I think it is actually even Edea, and Ulti's alt is "possessing Edea" rather than just clothes. Or maybe I can get the stupid template for this comment too. ;)Keltainentoukokuu 18:23, January 9, 2011 (UTC)

Harsh, yes, and I apologize. I just seem to get these "is that Edea!?" comments almost every day on YouTube so...yeah. DoreikuKuroofangu - Visit the Soul Shrine! 22:51, January 9, 2011 (UTC)

I agree, I watch on YT all the time and everytime I see someone say 'Edea is in the game! I saw it!' They never do think about seeing the truth, or are oblivious to it. Just think, if Cloud got Zack as a Alternate outfit, we'd never hear the end of it from anyone. "I live in fantasy because it welcomes me." 22:55, January 9, 2011 (UTC)

It's typical stuff, people never learn you know that by now Drake, lol. Anyways, this isn't anywhere near as bad like the Yuna dissidia article that was being made constantly. I say it's actually a blessing no one has attempted to confirm Edea as the newest character (unless I missed one). Razordash 11:47, January 10, 2011 (UTC)

To confirm it is absolutely Ultimecia, if one looks carefully he can see her in EX mode, and she is in her Griever form. Ultimecia created Griever, so... --Pmbarbieri 12:04, January 10, 2011 (UTC)

Correction: To confirm it's truly Ultimecia you only need to check the scan that shamelessly exposes Edea's appearance as Ultimecia's second alt. - Henryacores^ 13:11, January 10, 2011 (UTC)

Well thanks for clearing that up. At least it's another character with an alternate costume that isn't a palette swap. :D --MConor 16:45, January 10, 2011 (UTC)

release date

Can someone please explain to me why dissidia 012 will come out in the U.K. before japan. Does that make any sence at all.

• Well, there are 2 possible explainations. Either the site that's reporting this got it wrong, or the development cycle of the game sped up so much, it hit 88 MPH and jumped 3 weeks back in time.--Gibbeynator 01:30, January 11, 2011 (UTC)

I guess so does that mean that the release date of japan would be sooner as well.--Franc 3 02:09, January 11, 2011 (UTC)

I don't know if this is coincidence or not but there are several other games (example - New Pokemon Game) having their EU releases in March a week before the US. Could there be a reason behind this like a shipping problem? Balthierfan 21:16, January 12, 2011 (UTC)

Yea i noticed the pokemon thing too. But Japan got the pokemon game before the U.K. which is weird. Well the release for both is going to take place in March so maybe u r on to something.--Franc 3 22:12, January 12, 2011 (UTC)

ff13 villain

Will there be one, and if yes would it be Barthandelus or cid. I dont think Barthandelus would work since he is old and didnt move much. Cid wasnt much of a villain but he could work better than Barthandelus.--Franc 3 02:26, January 11, 2011 (UTC)

This is a good question to be asked on the Forums (look at the link at the top of the page.) User:Redfangofflame

new information revealed on box art

the temporary box art reveals a few things, such as characters levels being transferred when transferring save data from the original game (although it sounds like such a thing would make story mode far too easy; maybe it doesn't affect the characters in story mode). it also looks like there is a new thing called a party battle, which is available through free battle, that allows you to battle with up to 10 characters at once (I have no idea how that would work; i doubt all the characters fight on the same stage at the same time). doesnt anyone think this info should be added to the article? i would add it but im terrible at writing articles. I just thought it should be brought up, since it hasn't been added to the article yet. Mewizkuit 17:28, January 11, 2011 (UTC)

the level transfer thing might be added but the party battle is pretty unclear since nobody knows what it exactly is Judge Magister Pyarox 17:51, January 11, 2011 (UTC)

I feel that the level transfer is a good idea. You could level up in quick battle then do story mode in the first place so what would be the point in leveling up all over again? If you want to start from ground zero that bad you can start a new game, sure you'll miss on some other transfer Data, but considering the other argument that it makes story mode too easy, some players would go through quick battles anyhow. As for the party battle I'm sure the first production will reveal lots of neat information about it. Razordash23:51, January 11, 2011 (UTC)

I'm curious as to how level transfer would work without totally unbalancing the game.--Gibbeynator 02:00, January 12, 2011 (UTC)

I think that its going to only be available after you clear story mode or something, it would make sense. Thus the story mode stays balanced and there is still less grinding to be done. --Sinez 12:54, January 14, 2011 (UTC)

Music Table?

I'm new here, so I have no clue how the tables would work, but I was looking at the references and notice that not all the listed songs in the referenced articles are listed, plus there's the "Blinded By Light" mention in the Nomura interview, any particular reason why we can't add those in, or make a table with the games that are currently known to have music added? User:Rhapsody_Goodhue

Yuna art

http://n.pic.to/18moay-1-c435.jpg

Sorceror bobby 02:53, January 12, 2011 (UTC)

NO WE CANNOT. YOU PEOPLE NEVER LEARN DO YOU? DoreikuKuroofangu - Visit the Soul Shrine! 03:01, January 12, 2011 (UTC)

I dont know, looks legit to me. Sadly, there still isnt much you could PUT on the page, besides whatever information can be obtained by translating the page.

--Sinez 03:04, January 12, 2011 (UTC) (dangit, keep almost forgetting to sign)

I didn't realize it would cause a little fuss? Sorceror bobby 03:06, January 12, 2011 (UTC)

It ain't your fault. Thanks for sharing. Drake needs to calm down anyway. -- Dakk Tribal"I live in fantasy because it welcomes me." 03:08, January 12, 2011 (UTC)

I understand his sudden rage, he might have been assuming the creation of her page? Sorceror bobby 03:13, January 12, 2011 (UTC)

What Drake is trying to say is exactly what Sinez said. We do not have enough info to make a Yuna/Dissidia subpage, not because it's not legit, but because we have no info, and the page would be ridiculous. All we have is "Yuna is in 012", and that's easily enough put on her page for now. Jimcloud 03:15, January 12, 2011 (UTC) EDIT:and you can't say he doesn't have good reason to think someone will make just such a subpage, people made them for every other 012 character up till now when we had next to nothing on them. Heck, someone made an article on Yuna/Dissidia when all we had were her feet -- twice. Jimcloud 03:17, January 12, 2011 (UTC)

Of course, I agree just posting for those who want to see the whole page. Sorceror bobby 03:19, January 12, 2011 (UTC)

this whole yuna page thing is stupid but the pic looks real. If it isnt whoever made it is very talented. Cant wait to see how yuna fights.--Franc 3 03:26, January 12, 2011 (UTC)

Can't they just get to the bloody point and just announce that Yuna is in Dissidia 012? i mean, they been sending out ALL THE SIGNS, PEOPLE!! the feet standing on the water in the trailer, the numerous articles that they announced her to be in this game. JUST GET TO THE BLOODY POINT!!!!- WarMonger89

You do realise that if this is legit, and it is about a 99% chance that it is, that this is a confirmation, right? SCM - Talk 03:33, January 12, 2011 (UTC)

Yes, Yuna is in 012. What's your point? DoreikuKuroofangu - Visit the Soul Shrine! 03:36, January 12, 2011 (UTC)

Maybe Square is waiting for the 1st Production Department Premier to officially announce Yuna's inclusion in Dissidia 012 and hopefully a North American release date. Kamikaze Pardee 03:38, January 12, 2011 (UTC)

PLEASE let there be an immediate follow up with a gameplay vid tomorrow. My predictions are half-confirmed about her gameplay, but I gotta see it in action to confirm it >.<; Kaihedgie 03:55, January 12, 2011 (UTC)

Heads up ladies, apparently, the Yuna scan is true. That still, does NOT mean you will create the Yuna Dissidia page anyway, there is still not much info. Here, teke a look http://www.siliconera.com/2011/01/11/yuna-dual-wields-summon-monsters-in-dissidia-012duodecim-final-fantasy/ yeah_93

Okay, so now we have her art, several screenshots and a description of how she fights. While I hate jumping the gun as much as the next person, isn't that sufficient, or do we need more explicit descriptors of her specific moves first? Dazuro 04:15, January 12, 2011 (UTC)

If you don't mind, I'd like to see you make at least two paragraphs out of this, preferably three. For now, all of this information can be adequately held on Yuna's own page. Jimcloud 04:20, January 12, 2011 (UTC)

But the point is that we have enough info, even more than when Tifa appeared. Maybe, wait if more info comes till tomorrow. But it's time. You know already. yeah_93

Tifa is the worst example you could have chosen. People jumped the gun far, far too early with Tifa. How much can you put on the Yuna/Dissidia page? I know she's in, that's not the issue. The issue is that we simply don't have enough to make a real page. Jimcloud 04:24, January 12, 2011 (UTC)

Depends on point of view and opinion. But it's not up to us to discuss it, it's up to the moderator to approve it. AT least we have some info on her art, class, and moves, that's a progress over some feet. yeah_93

We have her art, her fighting style, and several screenshots. That's the same as what Laguna had. Tifa was going too far, but I don't feel he was. Dazuro 04:29, January 12, 2011 (UTC)

I say we do it. Let's have that page up. Nothing wrong with having a stub be expanded as more information becomes available. She's pretty much confirmed by now. Fëasindë ^{te audio} 04:55, January 12, 2011 (UTC)

I'm still holding out hope that this is a completely elaborate hoax to reveal some other character who deserves to be in the game more than Yuna does.--Gibbeynator 12:51, January 12, 2011 (UTC)

I say we don't do it, because it's stupid to make a subpage with a paragraph of info. - Henryacores^ 14:19, January 12, 2011 (UTC)

agreed keep the paragraph on the Yuna page, and remove the yuna dissidia page untill more info is leaked Judge Magister Pyarox 14:32, January 12, 2011 (UTC)

I say keep it. Sure there isn't much to say about her, but considering that she's been officially been confirmed i personally don't see the point in deleting the page knowing you're going to have to make it again later--ShadowsTwilight 14:43, January 12, 2011 (UTC)

Done, Famitsu is going to reveal Yuna's details for the next week. When those details are relased, then we will create the page, with the approval of the moderators of course, but until then, patience people. The world won't explode just because there is not a page of Yuna Dissidia. yeah_93

What I want to know is why this is even an issue. You said you required substantial information for a Yuan page, right? You have confirmation, you have how she fights, you have her EX Mode, you even have a damn picture. What else are you asking for?--ShadowsTwilight 18:46, January 12, 2011 (UTC)

You newbies should be here to see the sections character pages had on Dissidia before it was released. - Henryacores^ 18:56, January 12, 2011 (UTC)

u mad bro? 188.72.235.21 19:08, January 12, 2011 (UTC)

That's not even an answer, let alone a good one--ShadowsTwilight 19:10, January 12, 2011 (UTC)

Dissidia Page Policy

I'm not gonna touch this but, shouldn't the everyone use this time to create some sort of policy for page creation? This probably wont be the last the wiki has to deal with constructive vandalism haha. Nothing too harsh but something that states the type of length, story information and data to be reveal about a character before a character is given a separate page. Maybe how much text should be written before the remaining is complied? Just saying a bored user watching from the sides. Actually you guys might already have one. Still I can't find it. Outlaw630 16:25, January 12, 2011 (UTC)

Nothing too harsh but something that states the type of length, story information and data to be reveal about a character before a character is given a separate page.

Characters are given separate pages in the sole exception of Dissidia since there is information that takes a space comparable to their parent pages, as they are given subpages. Subpages like their names show, are pages of lower heirarchy, which are contained in a page. They can be considered sections so big, they have their own pages.

SUBPAGES ARE NOT INDEPENDENT ARTICLES. That's why it's polemical to create subpages with so small information: when there is not a significant amount of information on a section, like in Yuna's Dissidia appearance, there is absolutely no need to give that section a subpage. And that's that.- Henryacores^ 18:53, January 12, 2011 (UTC)

But at the same time, there's consistency. She's the only character who's confirmed and has art, playstyle descriptors, an EX-burst, screenshots, and no page. Further, her page's Dissidia section would either lack information or massively dwarf every other fighter's mainpage Dissidia section. I understand the desire to not jump the gun and scramble to create subpages at every minor name drop... but uh, why exactly is it so harmful to create a page once we have enough information to warrant it? What possible harm does it do? As long as there is enough information -- and many are arguing that there is enough information. Dazuro 21:34, January 12, 2011 (UTC)

All I heard out of that was Characters are given separate pages in the sole exception of Dissidia since there is information that takes a space comparable to their parent pages, as they are given subpages and it's polemical to create subpages with so small information: when there is not a significant amount of information on a section, and that's fine but isn't saying too small different than stating what you would like to see. You already answered a little bit of what I was looking for in terms of space. But if it were something that needy in length someone could write a paragraph's worth of magazine bits and BS the whole system... I'm not trying for hot water but why not state, a full paragraph one to two worth of the character's actual story, their personality and rivalry in Dissidia, appearance and battle data? Everything else you can keep because I already know what a sub page is and have no side to going out of the way to create Yuna page, that's all you. With that I'm out. Outlaw630 22:16, January 12, 2011 (UTC)

I dont get these people they refuse to add a yuna page yet include gilgamesh as a character even when there is no real proff that he is in. All u saw is some guy coming out of a shadow ball. I mean I am pretty sure it is gilgamesh but its time to make a yuna page we know a lot of her attacks and even ex mode.--Franc 3 01:47, January 19, 2011 (UTC)

Allegiances

Can we just keep the characters in the chart where they were in the first game until the game releases and it's confirmed just who was summoned for each side? Looks to me like there's a bit of an edit war going on, so it might be a good idea to just sit tight for now. Teamrocketspy621 01:27, January 13, 2011 (UTC)

Kuja and Jecht, as far as we know, are fighting for Cosmos, as Kuja has been specifically called one, and Jecht has been shown with the heroes in trailers and on the boxart. Terra meanwhile has only been seen with Vaan, there is no footage of her with the other villains, and on the 012 website her EX Burst vid has her on a blue background like the other heroes. Yes, Kefka said she used to fight for Chaos, but pretty much anything Kefka says has to be taken lightly since in-universe he'll say anything to mess with people's minds. DoreikuKuroofangu - Visit the Soul Shrine! 01:30, January 13, 2011 (UTC)

True, Drake, but, still, it's getting kind of confusing, since it seems things aren't going to be as black-and-white this time around, so I'm just saying: let's put the edit wars to rest and leave things as they were until we get a better grasp of everyone's roles in the story. Teamrocketspy621 01:37, January 13, 2011 (UTC)

But, and I do mean BUT, if Terra IS on Chaos' side, then there would have to be a Cosmos Warrior. If so, POOT CELES HERE. Jeffrey or SSFF6B 01:34, January 13, 2011 (UTC)

Why don't we just NOT list allegiences? Do it like arenas? Dazuro 05:24, January 13, 2011 (UTC)

That would work well, actually. DoreikuKuroofangu - Visit the Soul Shrine! 05:25, January 13, 2011 (UTC)

Especially since we don't know for sure, and we DO have reason to believe they change mid-game. Dazuro 05:27, January 13, 2011 (UTC)

We know their positions and where they end up later. We just don't know which side to list them on. I guess we can do it by Arena's. The only thing that bothers me is how it will look when we list them like that. Having Sephiroth, Tifa, and Cloud on the Inside the planet stage. While Onion Knight is under Crystal Tower with Cloud of darkness under... (what's that stages name? one that changes in the 2nd version?) Razordash 05:40, January 13, 2011 (UTC)

We don't know their positions, and we don't know where they end up later. And you misunderstand--I said we list them LIKE we list arenas, not by arenas. The arenas just have a single tab for each game, and list both levels (if applicable) in it. Dazuro 06:36, January 13, 2011 (UTC)

Yea I misunderstood the arena part. But as for their positions I completely disagree. While we may not have official word where, it's not too hard to guess. We know what happened in the 13th war and where everyones position was then. Since this is the likely the 12th war all the story is playing out to reach the 13th war. We seen video from the Jump Festa of the Emperor convincing Chaos to bestow a gift for Jecht (likely turning him to chaos side) so we could leave him on Chaos side since he switches during the story like a good guy gone bad. As for Kuja while I grant we don't know his position during the 12th war. It's obvious where he ends up, so we could have left him on chaos side. In other words... Since the two eventually do join chaos there's really no reason to switch them. If they end their story as a Villain then they're Technically Villains. Now one can make the argument for Kain also, but it seems most of us arn't debating over Kains alligence... Razordash 07:00, January 13, 2011 (UTC)

As far as Jecht goes, that's complete speculation. It's not obvious where Kuja ends up--the villains treat him like crap in Dissidia, which suggests he may be a newcomer to their side. And whether they end up as heroes or villains, they were initially summoned to the world as a Warrior of Chaos or a Warrior of Cosmos, and that's how they could be charted, regardless of if they change allegiance later on. Not that it matters, since they're no longer sorted by allegiance anyway. But the fact is, it's debatable. No matter how much reasoning and likely speculation you give us, it's not confirmed where they end up or where they start yet--so we can't just go ahead and say "he's a warrior of ___" as a fact, which is what the old table did, and which is what you're apparently advocating. Dazuro 07:34, January 13, 2011 (UTC)

Look I really do see your point and respect that, In fact I like the idea you presented better. But I'm saying is these These characters indeed do eventually end up on Chaos side. and because we know that much is it not safe to assume thats where they'll end up when all is said and done? Razordash 07:43, January 13, 2011 (UTC)

Since we changed the page shouldn't we change the Game Template too?--Xabryn 14:08, January 13, 2011 (UTC)

Whoa, whoa whoa, wait a minute... can somebody tell me why Yuna is sided with Chaos?--Isaiahjordan 6:37, January 13, 2011

Because she's a blind servant of a corrupt church? Or, could it be because the Chaos tab has been renamed the New Character tab?--204.225.7.17 17:03, January 13, 2011 (UTC)

Huh? Blind servant to a corrupt church? OH you mean Yu Yevon right? But what made, whoever put her under Chaos, think that?--Isaiahjordan 9:38, January 13, 2011

Dude, she's not under the Chaos side. That is now the new characters column. Teamrocketspy621 12:54, January 14, 2011 (UTC)

I know now. But for some reason the third column read Chaos when I saw it, but it might've been a bug in my pc. Thanks for letting me know.--Isaiahjordan 6:11, January 14, 2011

Like what you've done with the new table for character sides--FF9 14:27, January 15, 2011 (UTC)

Hey just saw the limited edition soundtrack bundle it shows the Warriors of Cosmos, Yuna is there and so is Jecht but Terra is missing does this mean she's a Warrior of Chaos judging by that image? --BurstDragon 15:04, January 17, 2011 (UTC)

Nope. For all we know about allegiances, she's not with Chaos. Then again, we know nothing of allegiances, beacause we are not Square Enix, so you get the idea. yeah_93 15:07, January 17, 2011 (UTC)

Tidus and Cloud are missing too. That means they're Warriors of Chaos too? - Henryacores^ 15:27, January 17, 2011 (UTC)

Asuming it's not sarcasm, then no, they (as far as we know and logic can tell) are not Warriors of Chaos. Clod was not shown in the FMV of the Jump Festa trailer, and as for Tidus, I, for sure, don't know why he's not there. Maybe their renders are not finished? Maybe SE is going to make them look more girly like the Warrior of Light? Who knows. yeah_93 15:34, January 17, 2011 (UTC)

A balance

What if given that some villains have become heroes, let's say given that kuja is probably a warrior of cosmos, there is no villain for FFIX, and instead, even though he has not been mentioned, Gilgamesh of FFV is a new villain, V gets two villains to make up for IX's lack of one. Does this make sense? Perhaps other titles will get more villains to make up for the lack for other games. -Silver Praetor

Then they will also have to make up for the unbalance created by an extra hero from IV, VII, VIII, X, XI, and XIII, which I actually hope they do, as Chaos's side is looking really outnumbered right now--ShadowsTwilight 08:13, January 17, 2011 (UTC)

Why is it so hard for people to understand that the sides will not be balanced? Square said as much quite some time ago. Dazuro 08:15, January 17, 2011 (UTC)

Ok, I am sorry for saying balance,rather than a balance, an evening out, say Gilgamesh is added to the villains, let's say him and two others are the only new villains the heroes would have more members but the villains would be crazy powerful, so they beat the heroes despite their numbers, that would explain how the heroes lost the 012 cycle as stated in the original Dissidia that they did lose the previous war. Does that make sense? --Silver Praetor 08:20, January 17, 2011 (UTC)

Forums<- go away... SquallisbetterthanCloud 08:27, January 17, 2011 (UTC)

Question: Why do the majority of wiki users act like big butt holes? Seriously, everytime I come on this page I see someone being a complete a*s. Most of the time it's about something insignificant, as well. <_< --173.80.92.132 15:41, January 17, 2011 (UTC)

Easy: Persons are different. Just because you are calm doesn't mean, Squall, in this case, has to be. I understand your point, don't have to act like a jerk, but people lose their patience when rules are given, and still, people are still breaking them. "Please limit this page to discussion about the article only. New information about the game itself, including rumors, magazine scans, website updates and general discussion, should be posted in the forum "The Blackjack." Top of the page. And BTW, don't disrespect us again, sir.yeah_93 16:14, January 17, 2011 (UTC)

okay here's my view on this so-called "Balance". Cosmos may have more warriors but Chaos has warriors who almost conquered/ destroyed their own worlds single-handedly, and nobody say that silly "But cosmos warriors beat them in their worlds" NO! WRONG! it took a team of 4 to something like 14 people the rally against said villain and defeat them. which by the way in some cases they didn't stop them particularly well. VII, Meteor destroys Midgar. VIII, Ultimecia lives long enough to travel through time and give her powers to Edea. V, people got sucked into the Void and died!! X, don't even get me started!....oh sorry ranted on a bit but anyway you get what i'm saying Chaos has 8 powerhouses while Cosmos has a lot of OK warriors. SandS Hero 15:07, January 18, 2011 (UTC)

lol so many holes in your story, where shal i start... oh yea did you remember that one game called dissidia in which 10 warriors of cosmos DEFEATED 10 warriors of chaos, as for the needing a party to beat them part... each villain has plot elements in their own game that makes them stronger which they dont have in dissidia~.. it really saddens me to see Prishe since XI had so many oppertunities for villains now its around 19 vs 11 Judge Magister Pyarox 15:22, January 18, 2011 (UTC)

Seriously, you guys need to stop. Who cares about balance? You think because they are outnumbered, Square will put the villains to sit and cry because they are less? Come on the game is almost done, and the story is already made. By them, not by fans. yeah_93 15:29, January 18, 2011 (UTC)

You're right,I'm sorry just got carried away, besides now that Tidus and Jecht have swapped sides, Kuja is a seldom seen good guy,Terra and Cloud have crossed over, i don't think many people will complain about "a balance"SandS Hero 19:31, January 19, 2011 (UTC)

Prishe Confirmed

Hey. I may not be the first to mention but Prishe (FFXI) is confirmed to be a playable character for Dissidia 012. In addition to that, Airith is said to be a assist-exclusive if you buy the Prologus (demo). Lastly, although not confirmed, Andriasang said that Gilgy was hinted in the new trailer shown on the conference. Check it here: http://www.andriasang.com/e/blog/2011/01/18/square_enix_premier_live_blog/

The new character on the main article could it be the Warrior of Light in an alternate costume notice the part of the sword near the shield. --BurstDragon 11:31, January 18, 2011 (UTC)

its a Fighter costume for WoL. I don't know how someone thought that was a new character Mewizkuit 11:32, January 18, 2011 (UTC)

No! I didn't want another hero from XI I wanted a villain, dammit is it so hard finding damn villain from XI it got about five final bosses. NeoZEROX 13:49, January 18, 2011 (UTC)

its terrible she made it in but who is she talking to? some guy with spiky brown hair and a white coat o.o Judge Magister Pyarox 14:45, January 18, 2011 (UTC)

Iwould certainly like her more if Shantotto was gone, and she was in, but now they are both in... oh, the guy is the Warrior of Light, third alt cosyume (Read section). yeah_93 14:52, January 18, 2011 (UTC)

The pic in his article for the 3rd alt show him capeless and with red hair (NES) but in the cg when talking with her, looks like his back for sure, must be his EX mode, as a Knight based from FF remakes prob. --85.240.74.113 15:57, January 18, 2011 (UTC)

I know for sure that many already know the following info I'm adding, but I just feel like posting the images I got from a forum I'm lurking. :D Rivan Pneuma 15:50, January 18, 2011 (UTC)

[[File:1o9lhe.jpg|thumb|Red Fighter WoL|50px]] [[File:1101180110521177857489580.jpg|thumb|Game Interface|50px]] [[File:Dissidia_012_Garland_-_3rd_alt.png|thumb|Garland 3rd alt (Demon in the Cloud)|50px]] [[File:Dissidiaprinsheandtidus.jpg|thumb|Tidus Shirtless / Prishe|50px]]

Maybe she will be a unlockable character like shantoto and gabranth in the first game.

Alts

Well, it seems that someone hacked the Demo, and extracted ALL the alt outfits. In case you want to have a look- Here's more info about it as well as links to alts. SquallisbetterthanCloud 16:57, January 18, 2011 (UTC)

Wishlist

If were adding Yuna and Tifa Lockhart,Then we should add Garnet.--Cb13 (talk) 22:33, January 18, 2011 (UTC)

Now, don't do it here, do it at the Blackjack forums. (Read top of the page). yeah_93 22:37, January 18, 2011 (UTC)

I dont think so cose yuna covers the summoner role and if a ff9 character is chosen its gota be vivi.--Franc 3 01:42, January 19, 2011 (UTC)

Cloud: a chaos Warrior

Taken from This Video

Enjoy..? Ixbran 23:18, January 18, 2011 (UTC)

Now THAT's shocking. No one saw it coming. If only I could read Japanesse. yeah_93 23:21, January 18, 2011 (UTC)

It won't be long until the whining fanboys/girls go "Waaaaaahhhh! Cloud's a villain! Waaaaahhhh! Why would you do this Square?!" [My response to those people. Jeffrey or SSFF6B 23:29, January 18, 2011 (UTC)

Nah, just you wait till they make the theories: "Cloud is brainwashed!", "He comes from another universe" or "He discovered that Sephiroth is his dad and he is bad now :(". Believe me, just you wait. But it is surely a surprise him as a villain. yeah_93 23:35, January 18, 2011 (UTC)

Waaaaaaaahhhh! Cloud's a villain!!! Waaaaaahhhh!! Why would you do this Square!? lolness. Nah, I actually expected this, it's a possible reference to Cloud being with Shinra. But we won't know till the game's out or we get more info. Jimcloud 23:37, January 18, 2011 (UTC)

He being control because Sephy thinks if Kefka can control someone why not him. NeoZEROX 23:49, January 18, 2011 (UTC)

Also, the stage where Lightning fights cloud is the Prima Vista, so its safe to assume that it is an offical stage now, ya? Ixbran 23:44, January 18, 2011 (UTC)

Lol, it is. I already put it on the Dissidia 012 page. But feel free to put it on the Prima Vista page (assuming it's not already there), I'm too tired to do it myself. yeah_93 23:46, January 18, 2011 (UTC

Im sooooooooooooo confused. In the new trailer at the end u see all the cosmos woriors and cloud, tidus, and terra r missing. I expected the terra part but then y is it that in the same movie vaan is seen runing holding terra's hand. I also think I saw tidus in the chaos side. As for cloud I think he will just not have a side and tifa will take his place as the ff7 cosmos hero.--Franc 3 01:39, January 19, 2011 (UTC)

I take it you missed the part where the video above confirms he is a Chaos warrior. He fights against the Cosmos warriors, with Golbez (A known Chaos warrior) helping him. He has a Chaos Warriors themed talk bubble... pretty sure he's with the Chaos warriors. Jimcloud 01:42, January 19, 2011 (UTC)

wow,i really like cloud as a chaos warrior, being a chaos warrior is a perfectchange for cloud. my hemorrhoids starting to blleed though, ill check the talk page back later.184.105.144.5 01:48, January 19, 2011 (UTC)

Yea i did miss that. This is soo weird like 5 characters r changing sides at the end of this game: Terra, Cloud, Tidus, Kuja, and Jecht. Whats next adding kefka as a cosmos guy.--Franc 3 01:54, January 19, 2011 (UTC)

WEll, Kefka was a really nice and kind soldier before he was experimented on >> so in another prequel (come on, we all know it'll come eventually) he'll probably be on Cosmos's side.

I think Kuja is still chaos, he just acting like a spy. As you may have noticed, any character with a side-change, also had his suit changed for the "story mode" probably to reflect more this change. --85.243.167.65 09:05, January 19, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah because in this one, Kefka is manipulating Cloud, Terra, and Tidus. Thats why they are with Chaos. And for those who didnt know, Duodecim is telling about what happened before the first Dissidia, so i honestly don't think people will freak out and say "OMG CLOUDS A VILLAIN NOW." Honestly I don't know where I'm going with this. But also Kuja being a Cosmos Warrior, I think he might be some kind of spy as said above. Because it says how someone called him out for being a lesser-seen Cosmos warrior.

Question

when we make Gilgamesh's official Dissidia Sub-page, what will it be labeled?

Gilgamesh (Dissidia) or Gilgamesh (Dissidia)

i mean it is the FF5 version of Gilgamesh were getting right, since he knows who bartz is, right? i figure i bring this up now so we can decide before we make the actual page. Ixbran 08:35, January 19, 2011 (UTC)

Well, all things considered, Gilgamesh (Dissidia) is probably simpler. After all, all of Gilgamesh's appearances are supposedly the same one canon being(EDIT:Besides XI, that just doesn't make sense.), and it'd make things more convenient when looking for Gil's Dissidia page. Jimcloud 08:38, January 19, 2011 (UTC)

personally i think we should go with Gilgamesh (Dissidia), after all hes FF5s 3rd representative, not the 3rd representative for every FF hes been in. its possible this Gilgamesh is a version of him before having gone to the other FF worlds, the version of Gilgamesh from the FF5 Storyline. i mean, wed still be linking it to his main Gilgamesh page, but since its the FF5 version were getting, his page should be Gilgamesh (Dissidia). but thats my opinion on the subject, i know not everyone will agree with me, and ill support what ever decision the Mods come up with. Ixbran 09:48, January 19, 2011 (UTC)

I'd go with Gilgamesh (Dissidia), for the most part, it's the same guy in all appearance, it's a shorter name, and I think having both a tag and a subpage looks tacky. SCM - Talk 10:33, January 19, 2011 (UTC)

I agree completely, it should be Gilgamesh (Dissidia). --MConor 20:24, January 19, 2011 (UTC)

I'm just gonna stick with saying "same here," because trying to explain my reasoning why has gotten too convoluted and complicated in my head to put into words properly. +1 vote for "Gilgamesh (Dissidia)." Teamrocketspy621 20:37, January 19, 2011 (UTC)

I sign on for "Gilgamesh (Dissidia)" too. Though he's gonna be presented as a FF5 rep most likely, as a character he's transcended his original game. DoreikuKuroofangu - Visit the Soul Shrine! 20:41, January 19, 2011 (UTC)

Here's the thing--Gilgamesh (Final Fantasy V) is just a boss page. His FF5 character information is on the main Gilgamesh page anyway. So even if he is a 5-exclusive representation, it would still go under just Gilgamesh (Dissidia). Otherwise we'd need to do Golbez (boss)/Dissidia, et cetera. Dazuro 20:57, January 19, 2011 (UTC)

Since we consider all of Gilgamesh's appearances to be the same Gilgamesh (in the same vein as Cloud Strife, Sephiroth and Tifa Lockheart for the compilation but in this case for the entire series), it should be Gilgamesh (Dissidia). Long story short, all Gilgamesh appearances are FFV Gilgamesh due to:

• His ability to drastically change his appearance;
• His ability to cross dimensions, as seen in FFVIII - Henryacores^ 02:31, January 20, 2011 (UTC)

Is anyone able to actually make Dissidia subpages for Gilgamesh and Prishe? I tried to do it recently, but the wikia tells me that Gilgamesh (Dissidia) and Prishe/Dissidia are already taken by the small sections on their main character pages. --65.100.48.226 21:53, January 26, 2011 (UTC)

You people are unbelievable. Can we at least wait for full art this time? DoreikuKuroofangu - Visit the Soul Shrine! 21:56, January 26, 2011 (UTC)

I need some cyanide. - Henryacores^ 22:01, January 26, 2011 (UTC)

Who is Prishe talking to?

I have been told before that its WoL's 3rd alt but i have a 3D model of WoL in his 3rd alt and the white collar and Shoulder pads dont match at all, it kinda looks more like Cid Raines with spiky hair Judge Magister Pyarox 14:11, January 19, 2011 (UTC)

It's WoL. You can clearly see the Collar-thing he wears. SquallisbetterthanCloud 14:16, January 19, 2011 (UTC)

WoL does not have spiky hair and his 3rd alt does not match the outfit Judge Magister Pyarox 14:35, January 19, 2011 (UTC)

Why don't you look at the trailer again? Try to pause it at the exact moment Prishe Appears. It helped me. SquallisbetterthanCloud 14:43, January 19, 2011 (UTC)

While the hair puzzles me, unless someone yoinked WoL's outfit, it's definitely him. EDIT:it's his original costume, the yellow cape and armor make it clear. Jimcloud 14:46, January 19, 2011 (UTC)

http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/5716/wold.jpg Clearly Warrior of Light. And I don't know what you guys are talking about but his hair is spiky with the helmet off. Andres 15:00, January 19, 2011 (UTC)

Archive

Yo, talk page is getting kinda big again. Might be a good idea to archive it at some point in the near future. Teamrocketspy621 16:13, January 19, 2011 (UTC)

I think it's important

Well, Since there will be some changes with old attacks in D012, I think we should modify the attack tables a bit. (I'm not saying, that we should do it NOW, don't get me wrong. I think, it's best to wait with it until the English Version of D012 gets released) Will this be a good idea?:

Move	Type	CP (D012)*	AP (D012)*	Obtained (D012)*	Description Dissidia	Description Dissidia 012	Image
Move Name	type	X (X)	X (X)	X (X)	Description for original Dissidia	Description for Dissidia 012 (If there are changes)	File here

(*) IF there will be any change.

It's not much of a change, and all additional info can be included here. It will still look clear, and we won't have to make any additional tables solely for Duodecim. What do you think about that? SquallisbetterthanCloud 22:10, January 19, 2011 (UTC)

Not a bad idea, but the mods will have to approve it. Besides, it's just to add the changes. And of course it won't be used with the new chars. yeah_93 22:15, January 19, 2011 (UTC)

No. That scheme is completely wrong. We have to keep info from both games separate enough to be distinguished the most easily as possible. The best option is to either use two rows per attack or distinct tables. The issue with the first option is the colour class. - Henryacores^ 02:26, January 20, 2011 (UTC)

EDIT Not to mention almost every character has at least a new HP attack. - Henryacores^ 02:27, January 20, 2011 (UTC)

Seeing how much the battle system has changed, new tables are better. - Henryacores^ 22:02, January 26, 2011 (UTC)

I'm thinking using the tab coding for the Dissidia and Dissidia 012 movesets is the best way to go, agreed the tables have to be separate since 012 has changed things so much. DoreikuKuroofangu - Visit the Soul Shrine! 22:06, January 26, 2011 (UTC)

Without tabs, we'd have to resort to subpages. - Henryacores^ 22:18, January 26, 2011 (UTC)

Character Animations

I successfully found the Dissidia 012 character animations. If you like, I could upload them to YouTube. Jeffrey or SSFF6B 02:29, January 20, 2011 (UTC)

That would be great. (?) --Sinez 02:32, January 20, 2011 (UTC)

Now we are talking. Give it a hit. yeah_93 03:10, January 20, 2011 (UTC)

Yes please, that would be awesome! Ixbran 04:14, January 20, 2011 (UTC)

I hate to be rude, but its been several days and you haven't commented on the subject since, care to elaborate with either an excuse or a link? (Either is acceptable) --Sinez 02:30, January 22, 2011 (UTC)

Several days? Anyway, here's the first video of Lightning: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lrlSH3qKvdw Jeffrey or SSFF6B 02:55, January 22, 2011 (UTC)

Idk, might have been me being a total ideot everything time related... so what if it was 2 days, two days is several... im just going to shut up and watch the epic anims now.--Sinez 03:05, January 22, 2011 (UTC)

Here's the second video, for Kain Highwind: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvY7nsP9kIw Jeffrey or SSFF6B 06:59, January 29, 2011 (UTC)

And the third, for Tifa Lockhart: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3CXZXwYmv2U Jeffrey or SSFF6B 19:43, January 29, 2011 (UTC)

Moved to the Forum:Forum:Dissidia 012 Character Animations Jeffrey or SSFF6B 03:31, February 19, 2011 (UTC)

Site Update

A new message has popped up on the Japanese site. Anyone know what they're saying?--216.221.71.219 16:08, January 20, 2011 (UTC)

No idea, But Seeing 5 new characters on the board is a nice deal. Zidane, Kuja, Tidus, Jecht, and Yuna. Razordash 18:03, January 20, 2011 (UTC)

		MConor TALK - 19:44, January 20, 2011
		Yuna was released on Character list. Zidane, Kuja, and Tidus added to the project. Lightning's EX burst and third form. http://www.square-enix.co.jp/dissidia_012/ Then look to the left and pick the third option. It has Tifa on it. I believe you can buy a costume for Tifa from the PlayStation Network. Though you were probably talking about this: [1]

It is talking about the "Event Planning Director" Alas, my Kanji reading is not so good so I can't give you specifics about what it says. --Sora1915 22:06, January 20, 2011 (UTC)

North America release date finally revealed?

http://www.gaming-age.com/news/2011/1/20-35

I'll leave yall to call the shots. Razordash 17:21, January 20, 2011 (UTC)

Looks believe able, it nether the 1st or the 31st of March. NeoZEROX 17:23, January 20, 2011 (UTC)

I'd say it looks legit, wikipedia has the same date (even though they ain't too believable, it can't be a coincidence). --Dakk Tribal "I live in fantasy because it welcomes me." 17:25, January 20, 2011 (UTC)

Then I'll add it to the page, someone can always remove it if they found something otherwise that states it's wrong. Razordash 17:27, January 20, 2011 (UTC)

It's already on the page. Confirmed. yeah_93 17:29, January 20, 2011 (UTC)

Really? huh, I read the top of the page and never saw the date with the others. I'll be...Razordash 17:34, January 20, 2011 (UTC)

Prologus Page/Section

Would it be worthwhile adding a page or section for this? - The 4th Snake 21:46, January 20, 2011 (UTC)

Interesting. A section about something before the release of the actual game. Let's call it.... Development. No, seriously, I think it should go in the Development section. Jimcloud 21:50, January 20, 2011 (UTC)

Cutscenes

It's not a big deal but judging from the latest trailer of 012, do you guys think that 012 will have CG cutscenes in the middle or at the end of Destiny Odysseys unlike the ones from the original Dissidia?

Forum:The Blackjack. Seriously peole, can't you read the thing on the top of this page? SquallisbetterthanCloud 12:57, January 21, 2011 (UTC)

Allusions

In Original Dissidia characters, should we split Allusion sections into Dissidia 012 and Dissidia right now from the start? - Henryacores^ 17:06, January 21, 2011 (UTC)

I don't think so. Maybe we should just add a sub-section to allusions that are already on their pages? SquallisbetterthanCloud 19:05, January 21, 2011 (UTC)

That's just exactly what I said, intelligence. - Henryacores^ 19:13, January 21, 2011 (UTC)

Sorry. I thought, you meant adding another section between Allusions and Trivia. You didn't use the word "sub-section". SquallisbetterthanCloud 19:20, January 21, 2011 (UTC)

Uh.. maybe I'm misunderstanding something here, but what the hell is the difference? Dazuro 00:15, January 22, 2011 (UTC)

character attack names

Character attack Names

someone was able to rip the names of the characters attacks from the demo, will be helpfull with filling out information in the character pages. Ixbran 00:12, January 22, 2011 (UTC)

Interesting, especially Gilgamesh, he has Cloud's Cross Slash and he has Wind Slash, looks like he'll play similar to Bartz. --MConor 21:44, January 23, 2011 (UTC)

No, actually, Gilgamesh's Cross Slash is a Brave Attack, and an actual "Cross Slash," whereas Cloud's "Cross Slash" was a mistranslation of "Curse Slash" (hence the character for "curse" being used in the attack). Gilgamesh actually doesn't play at all like Bartz; he's essentially a Blue Mage who uses randomly-chosen weapons. A Chaos Mime would be cool, but where's the originality in that? Teamrocketspy621 22:02, January 23, 2011 (UTC)

Another release date?

http://www.shacknews.com/onearticle.x/67208 Here we got March 22th 2011 as release date. --Haitani 09:25, January 22, 2011 (UTC)

We know. DoreikuKuroofangu - Visit the Soul Shrine! 09:35, January 22, 2011 (UTC)

Downloadable content

According to Andriasang the game will offer costumes and music as downloadable content, should this information be added in the DLC section?--BurstDragon 12:39, January 24, 2011 (UTC)

From the Wikia point of view, I'll say more info might be needed, also because Versus is first due till next year, so how much worth would that DLC be unless its Noctis and Stella as playable Characters and musical themes from the game and a stage. But heck I might the wrong person to answer this BahamutZero 10:09, January 25, 2011 (UTC)

Hey, i just had a thought. since most of the DLC has an exclusive code that can only be used if you purchise Japanese games (Kingdom Hearts: BBS Final Mix, The 3rd Birthday), maybe we will get the same, but by buying them on the PlayStation Network. User:WarMonger89

Square offering all the Japan-exclusive DLC over PSN would be nice, but don't be surprised if it doesn't happen. Japan is usually the only region to get remakes/DLC/whatever. We have yet to see a Kingdom Hearts Final Mix or other Square sequels in the States, but I totally agree. I wouldn't mind paying for the bonus stuff over PSN rather than having to buy a whole new game just to get an extra costume or music track. Kamikaze Pardee 15:06, January 25, 2011 (UTC)

And Final Mixes and International versions are exactly the same as Downloadable content, aren't they. - Henryacores^ 18:09, January 25, 2011 (UTC)

I didn't say they were, just that the idea of extra content of any kind, whether it be DLC or an international version of a game, should be offered to all who play the original and not just offered to the people who live where it's made. Kamikaze Pardee 18:54, January 25, 2011 (UTC)

And who ~exactly said DLC is going to be Japan-only? - Henryacores^ 20:46, January 25, 2011 (UTC)

No one, I was speaking in general. But I'm really hoping all the bonus stuff won't be Japan-only is what I'm saying. Kamikaze Pardee 20:56, January 25, 2011 (UTC)

The Soundtrack

Somebody ripped some of the songs from Prologus. You can listen here: http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=F8BE403800E6CAEC Jeffrey or SSFF6B 07:18, January 29, 2011 (UTC)

Fan-made Quests

According to recent screens that provide some evidence for the announcement that players will be able to design their own quest play-throughs, players will even more specifically be able to design pre-battle dialogue between predetermined fighters using icons he or she has obtained to represent them. Are there any screens taken from any of the trailers that are able to prove that the design of the Dissidia 012 equivalent of Destiny Odysseys' text-based 'cutscenes' match up with these? Red-Winged Angel 10:13, January 29, 2011 (UTC)

No idea, but from what it sounds like it's gonna be a fun addition to play with. Razordash10:18, January 29, 2011 (UTC)

Empreyal Paradox stage

The new trailer showed some battles taking place within the Empreyal Paradox, so, shouldn't it be moved into the confirmed arenas part of the arenas section? Lightning Insanity 11:18, January 29, 2011 (UTC)

It's been there for a while now. - Henryacores^ 15:48, January 29, 2011 (UTC)

Tidus fighting for Chaos

Not sure if this has been mentioned before, but Tidus appears to be fighting for Chaos. I theorize this because at the end of the "Final" trailer, after Lightning lands in a roll, it shows the Warriors of Chaos in a collective pose just like they show the Warriors of Cosmos. There was no Jecht, as expected, but there was Tidus.

A link to the image, which I uploaded: http://img96.imageshack.us/i/91270199.png/

Again, not sure if this has been mentioned before, but I figured I would put it out there in case it hasn't.

Believe me, it's been mentioned. tons of times. not to be rude, but if you had actually looked around at the Dissidia 012 stuff and Tidus's article, you'd have known that. and please sign your posts--ShadowsTwilight 03:23, January 31, 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the info! It has been added to the main Dissidia 012 article as well as the character's articles. If you'd like, you can create an account and help the wiki out by improving some of the other articles.
@ShadowsTwilight: Not to be rude, but please sign your posts correctly. -Azul81677 03:31, January 31, 2011 (UTC)

touche--ShadowsTwilight 04:07, January 31, 2011 (UTC)

Sorry about that, forgot that I wasn't logged in.

And I've looked many places, but didn't see it.

--Brian (Krasi183) 22:44, January 31, 2011 (UTC)

Did you try this?--ShadowsTwilight 22:53, January 31, 2011 (UTC)

Yunas Aeons

according to Henryacores we should not have pictures of their models on the Wiki, soly because they are part of Yunas attacks. I personally think that, even if they are her source of attacks, we should still have their models on the site.

Screen shots are nice and all, but having the models are alot better. Ixbran 00:14, February 1, 2011 (UTC)

You do know these Aeons are parts of animations. It's literally like having the ice shards of a Blizzaga animation. - Henryacores^ 00:18, February 1, 2011 (UTC)

And no, they are not characters whatsoever. - Henryacores^ 00:19, February 1, 2011 (UTC)

So if they arnt characters, what are they? Plants, objects? Oh i know their tables!*sarcasm* Ixbran 00:23, February 1, 2011 (UTC)

Your terrible sarcasm won't take this anywhere. Gameplay-wise, they are abilities. Plot-wise, they have no impact whatsoever. Thus, they are neither summons nor characters, and by that, their models (which are actually only low-res halfs of their FFX renders) are not necessary. - Henryacores^ 00:26, February 1, 2011 (UTC)

just because You dont think they shouldn't be up, doesn't mean everyone else will think the same. lets see what everyone else has to say, maybe even put it up for a vote. Let everyone decide whether or not they should be up, not just you.Ixbran 00:27, February 1, 2011 (UTC)

We have renders of the eidolons, the aeons, the espers. Why exactly can't we have renders of these? Dazuro 00:28, February 1, 2011 (UTC)

By that logic, we dont need Aeriths Dissidia CG Modle, because we have various arts of her already. The same could be applied to that of Yunas Aeons. The CG Models would serve to show their unique appearance in Dissidia 012. Ixbran 00:31, February 1, 2011 (UTC)

i think having the in-game renders of Aeons is pretty cool, i have posted the same pictures (not the same but pretty similar) in the Yuna page too, but he removed them, Yuna abilities are not like the others characters abilities, they are different because they involve special characters to perform them (in this case Aeons).

i'm pretty sure that people who came to watch Yuna's gallery will found pictures of Aeons F****ing awesome! and allows them to get a closer look to Aeons in Dissidia 012 (just like pictures of alternate outfit allows us to watch better the costumesToto88 00:43, February 1, 2011 (UTC)

As a technical question, I'm not sure they're covered by Fair Use. Put simply, they're pulled from hacked game data and are neither actual characters nor all that important when it comes to our ability to convey the information about her. I mean I'd rather have them for reference, but Fair Use doesn't include "because it's nice to have them for reference." Especially not high-res like they've been. Bluestarultor ^BSA 00:51, February 1, 2011 (UTC)

You mean like exactly how this Wiki has managed to get models of the EX Modes of the new alt costumes of the Characters? Like Kains EX in his alt costumes, CoDs new golden Alt EX, as well as Tifas cow-girl, yunas wedding dress and Exdeaths Neo alt costumes? those arnt officially released CG Models, but ripped from the demo, just like these pictures of the Aeons. Ixbran 00:56, February 1, 2011 (UTC)

Yes, but those are characters. Aside from that, Drake's made sure to do his best to incorporate them all into low-res composite images. And even then we're on thin ice simply because they were hacked. Bluestarultor ^BSA 01:00, February 1, 2011 (UTC)

But the aeons are characters too, they are just implemented into the game in a different way than the others. its just like what Toto88 said;Yuna abilities are not like the others characters abilities, they are different because they involve special characters to perform them (in this case Aeons). Ixbran 01:08, February 1, 2011 (UTC)

Basically neither Wikia or SE really care at all. Most images here don't already fit for Fair Use so whatever. I think they could be put to the Aeons' own pages.Keltainentoukokuu 01:03, February 1, 2011 (UTC)

I see no reason why we can't keep the Aeon images, they're good quality and are relevant to the article. As with alt outfits, a composite image for use in the gallery may be good though. DoreikuKuroofangu 01:35, February 1, 2011 (UTC)

well now, this is a pleasant surprise. thank you Drake, and im sure once the full game is out we can get ahold of better quality images of all the aeons, and even include the Summon Glyphs that yuna conjures in dissidia. Ixbran 01:48, February 1, 2011 (UTC)

Kuja is a Warrior of Chaos

In the trailer titled 'Final Trailer' on the official Japanese website, you can see all of the known Warriors of Chaos and Cosmos Warriors in two close shots near the end of the trailer. You can see Kuja floating on the right side of the Chaos group, not with the Cosmos Warriors. I don't know if his siding is still under debate (I cannot find anything on the wiki to indicate either side like before.), but I think this is the greatest confirmation we'll have until later. --GUD 23:32, February 1, 2011 (UCT)

No shit. SquallisbetterthanCloud 23:47, February 1, 2011 (UTC)

Temper, Squall. Stop biting newbs over good-faith edits. Bluestarultor ^BSA 00:07, February 2, 2011 (UTC)

I may sound like a newb here but maybe it's to early to say what's what? Maybe Kuja was on Cosmo's side and betrayed them towards the middle of the story instead of the end? *Excuse me if I have no right to say anything*

I wouldn't put much into it, I don't think Blue was calling you newb in particuler, just Squall has a small habit of shouting sarcasm and such at them (or anyone else for that matter). Razordash11:09, February 2, 2011 (UTC)

Well I know he wasn't call me a newb, I was just making a statement. *Also I didn't make the first post, I just didn't log in for my previous edit*

Prishe scan

Here. [2] it is. SquallisbetterthanCloud 07:37, February 2, 2011 (UTC)

• Aya Hirano... I see... stunt casting?--216.221.71.219 15:05, February 3, 2011 (UTC)

Prologus

EU and NA version confirmed? [3] seems ligit. SquallisbetterthanCloud 15:34, February 3, 2011 (UTC)

...I'm repeating myself over and over. EU and NA versions were confirmed WAY before the actual release. SE registered the trademark worldwide. - Henryacores^ 15:59, February 3, 2011 (UTC)

Hey, Henry, a trademark means nothing compared to a statement from Sony or Square Enix, though. Square Enix registered trademarks for Final Fantasy VII, VIII and IX-2 in 2003... it didn't mean they were coming. An official statement is different!

Your comparison is flawed: those projects never saw the light of day. This one did 2 or 3 weeks ago. - Henryacores^ 18:32, February 3, 2011 (UTC)

final fantasy 14

Has everyone forgotten that ff14 did in fact come out. I know that ff11 and ff14 werent final fantasy's best games but isnt dissidia suppose to combine the history of final fantasy. I think that it should at least have a secret character like the first dissidia had.--Franc 3 20:25, February 3, 2011 (UTC)

That's not up to us to decide. You wanna discuss the possibility of a secret XIV character, take it to the forum Blackjack. Teamrocketspy621 20:28, February 3, 2011 (UTC)

The secret character thing was just a thought but im just saying that ff13 wasnt included in dissidia because it didnt come out yet while ff14 is already out so is there really an excuse to not have it.--Franc 3 20:35, February 3, 2011 (UTC)

I know, I know. What I was saying was was not meant to pertain to what you'd said, exactly, merely the fact that this page is not the place to talk about it. You should bring this discussion to the forum, on the Blackjack board. Saying "there's no excuse not to represent XIV" is irrelevant to improving the article itself. It's a worthwhile discussion, if you ask me, but this isn't the right page to discuss it on. Teamrocketspy621 20:41, February 3, 2011 (UTC)

I guess ur right.--Franc 3 21:02, February 3, 2011 (UTC)

Prishe anyone? (81.159.130.207 15:10, June 19, 2011 (UTC))

Character numbers

What was originally said for the number of new characters being added? 4-10, right? So, that, combined with the two extra slots found in the demo, could mean we might get two more characters revealed? Lightning Insanity 19:27, February 5, 2011 (UTC)

It's anyone's guess really. There's still plenty of time for Square to announce something new but I think we'll hear more about Gilgamesh and Prishe before any new characters. Keep in mind that there's still about a month until the Japanese release. Kamikaze Pardee 23:47, February 5, 2011 (UTC)

Maybe, maybe not. The demo pulls seem to point at every character being already known, but naturally it's not 100% proof of the final product. --84.250.61.217 00:01, February 7, 2011 (UTC)

Anything's possible, we don't know for sure, but I'm leaning towards probably not. Notice how the new stages correspond with the titles that haven't recieved a new character? (with the exeption of FF11-13 which didn't have a second character or a level at all) FF2, FF3, FF6, FF9 have new arenas while FF4, FF5, FF7, FF8 and FF10 have new characters? I think the next stage will be from FF1. My speculation anyhow.

The world map of the game is taken from FFI. I think it may be intended as the "new I stage" for the game. Teamrocketspy621 03:15, February 10, 2011 (UTC)

You might just be right there, I agree it would be interesting. Though I sort of hope Floating Castle or the Underwater Shrine is in :) I was hoping the Iifa Tree from 9 would be in, or the Hill of Dispair. But yeah, we have 8 new character confirmed and 7 new stages, looks like chances are only 1 more stage to be revealed and that's all the new content we'll get. Though we can't be too sure on anything.

The Duodecim OST

Here's the source for the the soundtrack! It's here!  CloudyKrystal  00:25, February 8, 2011 (UTC)

Or, alternatively, here on the official website. Jimcloud 00:31, February 8, 2011 (UTC)

Searching for friends, Premonition, You're not alone, Fleeting dream, and tons of other soundtracks... Makes me wanna cry! Razordash01:41, February 8, 2011 (UTC)

Raz I totally agree with you! I just felt like floods of memories with new nostalgia went over my mind. Blacksnowdog

Update of NA site

BIG update of NA site! Best thing there is- English voice acting in system section. Yuna/Laguna/Tifa/Vaan/Lightning and Kain. Those of you who can recognise- mind naming VA's of Laguna and Kain? SquallisbetterthanCloud 01:16, February 9, 2011 (UTC)

I think Yuna is being played by Hedy Buress again... other than that, got me. The sad part is... that doesn't sound like Nolan North playing Laguna...--Gibbeynator 01:36, February 9, 2011 (UTC)

Where did everybody get this idea that it was going to be Nolan North, anyway? Anyhow, he sounds like Roger Craig Smith to me, but I could be wrong. Someone mentioned Troy Baker. Seems like a good guess, at least. Teamrocketspy621 01:49, February 9, 2011 (UTC)

Well, the first voice that popped into my head when they announced Laguna WAS Nolan North...--Gibbeynator 03:01, February 9, 2011 (UTC)

I haven't heard enough of Nolan North, really, but what I have heard doesn't sound like that. Teamrocketspy621 03:02, February 9, 2011 (UTC)

Oh, and Kain is very obviously Liam O'Brien. I'd recognize that voice just about anywhere. As if it weren't already clear enough. But apparently the VA has to mention it themselves for it to count on the Wiki, though. Teamrocketspy621 01:51, February 9, 2011 (UTC)

Laguna has three words to say in English. . . "Greatest Attack Ever!~" User:Blacksnowdog

Vaan kinda sounds like hope from ff13 when he says "No holding back" his voice is definetly different though--Franc 3 21:28, February 10, 2011 (UTC)

NA & JP Box Art

NA Box Art

JP Box Art

from From Final Fantasy Network and Chaoticcosmos

Ixbran 04:07, February 10, 2011 (UTC)

Now THAT'S Box Art! - WarMonger89

No Prishe and Gilgamesh- this is still a placeholder, I'm afraid. SquallisbetterthanCloud 13:29, February 10, 2011 (UTC)

But Prishe and Gilgamesh are confirmed to be secret characters in a Famitsu interview mentioning Shantotto and Gabranth as being comparable to the role Prishe and Gilgamesh play (or rather, the interview only mentioned Prishe, but that's just because Gilgamesh hasn't been "officially" revealed). Shantotto and Gabranth weren't on the first game's box art, now were they? Teamrocketspy621 18:13, February 10, 2011 (UTC)

Whose to say Prishe, much less Gilgamesh, are affiliated with anyone? Kaihedgie 14:36, February 10, 2011 (UTC)

I agree, with the new style of world map they could EASILY put them in as hidden characters, in the same way as they placed them in past games. (think Gogo, Yuffie, and the secret charecters from tactics)--Sinez 17:57, February 10, 2011 (UTC)

Uhhh... Screens from story mode with Prishe and CG cutscene with Gilgamesh are rather convincing that those two ARE part of main story. SquallisbetterthanCloud 18:00, February 10, 2011 (UTC)

Not necessarily. They get FMV scenes of their own because they're secret characters, but those might just be to start off and maybe end off their own bonus legs of the story. Shantotto and Gabranth's story modes had in-game cutscenes. There's nothing suggesting that Prishe and Gilgamesh's story modes can't just be flashbacks or non-canon (and by "non-canon," I mean a story that seems to have little connection to the main story and is unclear as to where exactly it fits, like the Distant Glory stories). Teamrocketspy621 18:13, February 10, 2011 (UTC)

In the Abyssea series Shinryu is a corrupt Prishe. Gilgames, like Omega and Shinryu was sealed in the Void. - Henryacores^ 18:07, February 10, 2011 (UTC)

Uh, back on topic, even if it's not a placeholder it's still cool. But if I only bought the game just for the cover, I wouldn't buy it. It should have artwork instead of CG, like the first game. yeah_93, Visit my Dissidia Characters Guide! 20:06, February 10, 2011 (UTC)

I think that's a terrible cover. Wayyyy too busy for think how small the actual PSP cases are. It's gonna look like a mess when you see it from a distance in a game shop shelf and just looks stupid up close with copy pasted character artwork just next to each other. The Chaos side of the collage just kind of melds into each other and you really have to look to make out some characters like "where is Gabranth, oh there he is". Instead of including everyone they should just have Cosmos and Chaos on the cover, CG or artwork their call, or just the logo.Keltainentoukokuu 21:34, February 10, 2011 (UTC)

I think it looks rather impressive. The quality is really good, and the use of the CG pictures layered on top of one another really provides a further sense of three dimensions, which works really well with this work. The only think that really strikes me as strange about it, is the artist's decision to make Vaan rubbing his nose. It almost looks like he's picking his nose and we know that looks great on game covers. XD- 75.17.89.122 22:27, February 10, 2011 (UTC)

Although it is a very nice cover, I'd have to agree with Keltainentoukokuu. There's way too much going on and it would be hard to make everything out unless your up close. My bet is that it will resemble the original Dissidia's box art. Kamikaze Pardee 23:25, February 10, 2011 (UTC)

Japanese Website Characters

Im pretty sure people have already noticed this but, in the japanese website, practically every character officially revealed appears with the exception of the FFV representatives, namely, Bartz, Exdeath and Gilgamesh. I've noticed a pattern here, if a new character comes from an already represented game, the representatives from the original game are not added until or after the new representative is added too, the only exception being characters from the first 3 FFs since they have no new representatives and those of FFVI and FFIX, which leads me to believe that IF there is any other character revealed after Gilgamesh, it wont be from VI or IX, since the hacked data from prologus showed what appeared to be a background for a XIII Cosmos character and another unknown one, this might mean VI and IX wont get any new characters at all (which really sucks since I was waiting for Beatrix to show up, or a Chaos Warrior from XIII). This is not currently relevant to the article but I just thought I should point it out.

Cool... With the exception, that YOU SHOULD HAVE TAKEN IT TO THE FORUMS!!! SquallisbetterthanCloud 17:06, February 13, 2011 (UTC)

The reason I put it here is because the table for new characters in the article still has VI and IX with a TBA. This is ONLY speculation but it raises a good point coupled with the fact that Nomura said that character numbers and factions would be disparate this time around.

RPG Mode

It says in the article and pretty much everyone that the game will feature a "new addition" called RPG Mode which will let players fight in a more traditional matter with commands, but Im pretty sure I used this feature in the original Dissidia, and judging from the screenshots, it looks unchanged. Why would something included in the first game be regarded as new in Duodecim??

The command battle mode isn't what they are talking about when they say RPG mode. RPG mode I think means that you walk around the worldmap instead of "chessboard" type place. (Although the chessboard is still there as a dungeon layout.)Keltainentoukokuu 16:43, February 13, 2011 (UTC)

Ah ok, that clarifies my doubt, thanks Kelta, but inst that RPG mode the story mode itself??

First shot of Gilgamesh?

http://dissidia-france.com/forum/index.php?topic=761.msg63302#msg63302 --Gibbeynator 21:03, February 13, 2011 (UTC)

Gilgamesh Move Set

http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/605802-dissidia-012-duodecim-final-fantasy/58129487/644597049

dont know if its true or not, but thought i should just throw it out there for people to see. Ixbran 04:59, February 14, 2011 (UTC)

I'm inclined to say "don't trust GameFAQs forums unless they provide a decent source." -- Some Color Mage ~ (Talk) 05:22, February 14, 2011 (UTC)

It's old news, it was found by hacking the demo not long after Gilgy's art was found. On new news: EX Burst screenshot. DoreikuKuroofangu 05:25, February 14, 2011 (UTC)

May I ask you where you found that magical picture of AWESOME dear sir? User:Blacksnowdog

awesome sauce, at least its real, and awesome find Drake! Question: will we be making Gilgamesh's Dissidia page anytime soon? Ixbran 06:08, February 14, 2011 (UTC)

I'm pondering that myself. We have a move list (though it's so small it's certainly incomplete), partial artwork, EX Mode and Burst. I'm inclined to wait for a scan first so we can get full artwork and some more images to use, but I wouldn't object greatly if someone were to make it now. DoreikuKuroofangu 07:03, February 14, 2011 (UTC)

Just what I was about to say Drake. With this picture coming to the internet it's a safe bet that more will follow and possibly even an official update on the Japanese site. I think we should hold off until then when we have enough official info, artwork, pictures, and the like. Kamikaze Pardee 07:10, February 14, 2011 (UTC)

since its partly okay with Drake, i think now would be an okay time to make the article. after all, NeoBahamutZEROX went and made everything already with the info we do have.

http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/User:NeoBahamutZEROX/Gilgamesh (Dissidia)

since its all already there, just copying and pasting it into the Gilgamesh (Dissidia) article will be simple as pie, and we can add more too it when the info is available.Ixbran 09:49, February 14, 2011 (UTC)

I dunno if I should put this here or not *sorry for being a newbie* but I recently got this result on Google for Gil http://oi54.tinypic.com/oka6av.jpg o.o america announced him early

I stumbled across the same thing by chance yesterday. What most intrigued me was the fact that it's the NA site. Despite the ad, though, Gilgamesh is nowhere to be found on the site itself. How peculiar. :\ Teamrocketspy621 15:22, February 14, 2011 (UTC)

You just can't even wait for the official announcement, can you? - Henryacores^ 21:29, February 14, 2011 (UTC)

Squall's bonus alt

http://media.rpgsite.net/artwork/255/dissidia_012_legacy_edition.jpg Rafflesia 16:17, February 14, 2011 (UTC)

Blaargh, first Amano Tifa, now Leon Squall, both for one version of the game? Is the NA version even getting ANYTHING? I'm not asking for something exclusive that other regions won't get, but not one of the known DLC costumes has been announced for any kind of NA release. Are we seriously getting jipped out of all these costumes just because Square NA wants to be jerks when it comes to marketing this? Do they think we don't know that the other regions are getting stuff that we're not or something? Are they just being lazy? This stuff had better just go up on the PSN or something, or else I'll be seriously disappointed in whoever's in charge of marketing this game stateside. T_T Teamrocketspy621 16:25, February 14, 2011 (UTC)

Well, there's a chance that these costumes could end up as retailer specific pre-order bonuses, since that seems to be the standard over here...--Gibbeynator 21:30, February 14, 2011 (UTC)

I'm sure these bonuses will make it to the US in some form. There's the full story related to that image here, by the way. It includes all the special edition Information for the EU. http://www.rpgsite.net/news/994/dissidia-012-duodecim-final-fantasy-gets-european-special-edition-date.html 94.169.8.67 17:23, February 14, 2011 (UTC) So this means that besides his default costume, and his two alternates, Squall has not one, but two bonus costumes? (this one and the one from V-Jump)

But isn't this the European special edition? I think that the Japanese special was only confirmed to have Tifa's alternate, if so then I think this would be the outfit in V-Jump (for Japan) --4.49.110.26 18:55, February 14, 2011 (UTC)

Come to America please T_T I want that Squall (Leon) Costume so bad! I'll pay anything ;w;

Me too! I would pay for all of the downloadable outfits!--24.3.65.89 06:02, February 15, 2011 (UTC)

Pretty sure it was announced that there will be downloadable content for 012, so even if we can't get them the way other countries get them, I'm sure they'll be downloadable at some point.--58.174.210.15 02:20, February 16, 2011 (UTC)